One Marvelous Scene – Tony Stark Fights Thanos

One Marvelous Scene – Tony Stark Fights Thanos


“We’re in the endgame now.” The Marvel Cinematic universe
is defined by the specters of flawed fathers who
haunt our heroes, whether they’re absent dads,
dead dads, mistaken dads, or outright evil dads. “We’re talking about a guy
whose happiest day was when he shipped me
off to boarding school.” And in ‘Avengers: Endgame’,
the Avengers go up against the ultimate “bad dad”
of the whole universe, Thanos. “When I’m done half of
humanity will still be alive.” But in fact, ‘Infinity War’
already gave us an incredibly symbolic scene
of this universe’s founding father, Tony Stark, fighting Thanos,
which reveals a lot about how the MCU is finally resolving
the daddy issues that have defined its first decade. “Which happens, Dads leave,
no need to be a pussy about it.” So we’re about to
break down this scene, but before we get into it,
a little background. To get ready for ‘Endgame’,
we’ve come together with a bunch of our favorite YouTubers
to create this series: ‘One Marvelous Scene’. Each channel picks one scene from
the last 10 years of the MCU, to analyze in depth. So after you watch this
make sure to check out all the others, and you can even make
your own video on this topic, just tweet it to us,
and we’ll make sure it gets added to the playlist. Now, let’s look closer
at this face-off between Tony and Thanos to figure out
how it illuminates ‘Endgame’s’ and the MCU’s deeper messages
about fatherhood and about what it means
to beget a better future. Before we go on,
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all of our new videos. “You throw another moon at me
and I’m gonna lose it.” “Stark.” “You know me?” “I do.” As soon as the two
meet in this scene, the dialogue reveals
something surprising: Thanos knows Tony. “He’s aware of Stark from that
original Battle of New York as the person who
undid the plan.” Meanwhile, from the Battle of New York on,
Tony has also had some version of Thanos in his brain,
as an idea without a name. “Thanos has been inside
my head for six years.” Co-director Joe Russo
has said that Tony, quote, “Has predicted a threat like Thanos. It’s lived in his brain even though
he couldn’t name it.” “Threat is imminent.” In ‘Age of Ultron’,
Tony has a vision of what looks like a post-apocalyptic world
where his fellow Avengers are dying. “You could’ve saved us.” The setting of this fight scene
in ‘Infinity War’ is not unlike the wasteland of that vision,
which on some level has already come to pass. “I watched my friends die. You’d think that’d be
as bad as it gets, right? Nope. It wasn’t the worst part.” “The worst part…
is that you didn’t.” Thanos’ explanation for how
he knows Tony is the enigmatic line: “You’re not the only one
cursed with knowledge.” Both characters have access
to some sort of mysterious insight, which makes them feel
they have to make tough decisions others don’t understand. “We can bust arms dealers
all the livelong day, but that up there,
that’s the endgame.” “If life is left unchecked,
life will cease to exist. It needs correction.” “You don’t know that!” “I’m the only one who knows that.” The technology-obsessed Tony
is a known futurist, “The Futurist, gentlemen! The Futurist is here! He sees all!” and that’s something he has
in common with Thanos. “They’re both aware of something
from an early, early point and constantly having
to deal with being smarter. Thanos is a futurist
as much as Tony Stark.” In fact, these two are similar
in a lot of ways. Both approach problems logically,
without emotion. “Genocide?” “But random, dispassionate,
fair to rich and poor alike.” Their instinct is to solve
the world’s problems through systems of control, “We need to be put in check.” and they may do damage
to the world while trying to protect it. “Ultron can’t tell the difference
between saving the world and destroying it. Where do you think
he gets that?” So on one level this scene
represents Tony going up against a dark mirror of himself. But visually here Tony appears tiny
in relation to the giant Thanos looming over him. He looks like David
going up against Goliath. And these visuals are a clue
that this fight is really about Tony battling the source
of his father complex. “My only curse is you.” The size imbalance highlights
how small and unworthy he feels – this represents the little boy in him,
who will always feel inadequate in relation to the ghost of his
emotionally distant father, Howard Stark. “You know they say sarcasm
is a metric for potential. If that’s true,
you’ll be a great man someday.” The fundamental flaw
in Howard’s parenting logic is that he thinks it’s enough
to inspire, educate and provide for his son from a distance. He doesn’t realize that Tony
needs his personal warmth and presence most of all. “He was cold. He was calculating. He never told me he loved me,
he never even told me he liked me.” When Tony watches the video
of his father in ‘Iron Man 2’, we see Howard rebuff
his young son, “Put it back where
you got it from. Where’s your mother? Maria! Go on, go.” even as he leaves a loving message
for future Tony. “My greatest creation is you.” In this scene when Thanos
put his huge hand on Tony’s head, it feels like a paternal gesture, “You have my respect, Stark.” but evoking a perversion of fatherly love
because here he’s trying to kill Tony. And this moment captures how
Thanos is a grotesque embodiment of all the daddy issues
that pervade the MCU. “I understand, my child.” He’s the dark father figure
of the whole universe, “You have become
children of Thanos.” like a Darth Vader
or a Voldemort, who goes against the natural order
by attempting to kill the next generation. In fact, Russo has said that
that was their intention to make Thanos, a quote,
“Darth Vader for a new generation”. This frame of Tony taking on
an impossibly daunting foe also evokes a human
going up against a God. And the prominent fire imagery
reflects that Thanos is a brutal, Old Testament-style god
who inspires fear. Like Howard as a father,
Thanos as a God engages in the same kind
of well-intentioned, cold logic that overlooks the person
in the equation. “To bring balance to the universe
by wiping out half of all life.” The way that the MCU conflates
the God and Father figures in Thanos is fitting— not only because of the paternalistic
God-the-Father of the Judeo-Christian tradition, but also because we begin life
viewing our parents as all-powerful. So for many of us,
the relationship to a parent is a model or proxy
for our idea of a God or Creator. “I want to be a great king, Baba. Just like you.” And in fact, the MCU
uses its father issues to get at a bigger existential question
of how we relate to the universe at large. Through this twisted version of a God,
the Avengers grapple with inheriting a world that’s imperfect,
unfeeling and disappointing. “He invades planets. He takes what he wants. He wipes out half the population.” Moreover, we can’t escape
being shaped by our disappointing world. “It’s an imperfect world
but it’s the only one we’ve got.” Even if the son rejects
the flawed father, he’ll inevitably take after him
in some ways. “This is the key to the future.” “Reframe the future.” And to some degree,
Tony repeats his father’s mistakes too with his surrogate son,
Peter Parker. “That’s not a hug,
I’m just grabbing the door for you. We’re not there yet.” In ‘Spider-Man: Homecoming’,
Tony even sends an empty Iron Man suit to rescue Peter, “Mr. Stark, you didn’t have
to come all the way out here. I had that. I was fine.” “Oh, I’m not… here. Thank God this place has Wi-Fi,
or you would be toast right now.” mirroring the scene in Iron Man 3
when Tony sends one of his suits to greet Pepper. “This is a new level of lame.” So these scenes symbolize that
— like his dad – Tony doesn’t always get
the importance of being there, in the flesh,
for the people you love. His reflex is to hide
behind his technology – “My armor? It was never a distraction,
or a hobby. It was a cocoon.” and that’s what he does
in this scene with Thanos. But his tech is inadequate
and can’t protect him. At the end his suit
is all burnt up, in ruins. And this might make us think of
his conversation with Peter in ‘Homecoming’: “I’m nothing without this suit.” “If you’re nothing without this suit,
then you shouldn’t have it, okay? God, I sound like my dad.” This scene’s ultimate impact
is that, like ‘Infinity War’ as a whole, it ends the wrong way,
Tony loses the fight. After this, Dr. Strange
gives up the Time Stone to save Tony. “There was no other way.” So what makes Tony
so important in this fight, even though he looks so
glaringly outmatched here and may not be the strongest Avenger
in objective terms? “You know me?” “I do.” Thanos’ knowledge of Tony
reveals that he believes this person could present a real problem for him. “He doesn’t spend a lot of
energy intentionally trying to murder people
unless they are, in some way,
a threat to his agenda. Almost no one ends up
being a threat to the agenda except for Tony.” In ‘Infinity War’ each Avenger
tests their strength against Thanos and it’s not enough. If strength were everything
then Thanos would be unbeatable. But Tony epitomizes
what makes Marvel great, his superhero persona
is just a suit he made himself. “One thing you can’t take away. I am Iron Man.” The real source of his power
is that person underneath the suit who has the plucky, personal,
cunning ingenuity that David used to
outwit the giant. It’s that unique brain
with the creative insight to find the way
around the problem. “You’re not the guy
to make the sacrifice play. To lay down on a wire
and let the other guy crawl over you.” “I think I would just
cut the wire.” While Tony is conspicuously human here,
Thanos is not truly the God that he pretends to be. Notice this line near
the end of this scene: “All that for a drop of blood.” These words seem to tell us
that the Avengers’ efforts are futile – but they call on something that
Ivan Vanko says in ‘Iron Man 2’: “If you could make God bleed,
people would cease to believe in Him.” So this drop of blood
actually proves that Thanos can be beaten. “You will never be a god.” After all Thanos with
his infinity gauntlet is hiding behind
a kind of technology too. It takes a mind like Tony’s,
that won’t just go up against strength with more obvious strength,
to find that way around. Tony begins ‘Infinity War’
dreaming about new life – “Last night I dreamt
we had a kid. It was so real.” and it’s significant that these futurists
envision tomorrow very differently. Thanos sees the future as weak,
needing to be controlled and determined by him. But the key to parenthood
and engendering a positive future is respecting new life
and letting it determine itself – in other words,
listening to the actual kid in front of you. “Nice work in D.C. My dad never really gave me
a lot of support and I’m just trying to break
the cycle of shame.” “I’m kind of in the middle
of something.” “Don’t cut me off
when I’m complimenting you.” While he may take
some time to get there, we see Tony eventually
giving Peter this validation and trust. And with him,
we have to hope and trust that his descendants in the MCU
will carry on his best qualities. “I’m just trying to protect us
and future ‘us-es’ and that’s it.” Because if there’s anything Iron Man
has taught us over the last decade, it’s that we humans have a lot more
superpower within us than we know. “Humans. “They are not the cowering wretches
we were promised.” Hi guys, it’s Susannah and Debra,
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  • anything_goes says:

    7:01 Actually, I would argue the opposite. Our idea of a God or a creator is a model or proxy of our idea of a parent or father; or, more accurately, any person’s idea of God is shaped by the actions of their parents, and what any individual wants or needs from a God or creator has a lot to do with what they want or need from their parents.

    Someone who needs a God who trusts and believes in them, no matter what, maybe needs a parental figure to trust and believe in them. Someone who needs a God as a moral compass to keep them on the straight and narrow might not have gotten that moral direction from their parents, or was raised to follow morals that turned out to be damaging. Someone who needs a God that protects and loves them may not have been protected or loved by a parent. The idea of God in this case is as a replacement parent.

    Or the opposite is true. A person who wants a God who trusts and believes in them, who guides and corrects them, or who protects and loves them may have gotten those exact things in abundance from their parents. The idea of God in this case is quite literally an all-seeing parent who is always there when needed.

    I’ve always been an atheist. Looking at religion from a truly outside perspective is fascinating. I’m certainly not shitting on anybody’s beliefs, please, believe as you will! But it’s often very clear that a person’s religious beliefs and participation are defined by the childlike need for a parent. And I find that both very curious and, in a way, beautiful.

  • Nemesis Dylan says:

    Iron mans dad is dead
    Captain America’s dad is dead
    Starlords dad is dead
    Thor’s dad is dead

    I never realised how much marvel loves to kill dads

  • I love the correlation stated here between the words of Ivan Vanko from Iron Man 2 and Thanos bleeding in IW.
    “If you could make god bleed, people would cease to believe in him”

  • Thank you for the insight about how PERVASIVE the Father Issue is throughout the MCU. I had not made those connections before. Also, the idea of Thanos as a "Dark Father" and mirror to Stark, is just excellent commentary. Thanks again.

  • Thomas Peery says:

    I just want to say, I love your analysis of this scene. You brought up a lot of great points during this and touched and expanded on a few I noticed but had trouble articulating. You brought to mind what had been 'sleeping' in my brain. Thank you and I can't wait to see more of your content! subscribed

  • Skinner McLane says:

    As someone who has his own dad/god complex, this video broke me.

    I loved the MCU, and I love to over-analyze and overthink about shit all the time. I've wanted to be a video-essayist like you for years. I'm watching this entire playlist of videos and I've gotten to this one. I've watched Infinity War so many times I can't even count.

    …and…I never got this take that you've gotten, out of it. -but you're absolutely right. It fits – exactly right. It's perfect. -and it broke me.

    See…since the movie came out, I've actually been questioning myself – if I was a good person or not. Because I unequivocally agreed with Thanos. Not logically, but emotionally. I'm a jaded futurist who's lost so much that now I've sealed off my emotions and look at everything logically and so yeah, he I felt acted the most respectful and honorable of all the characters and DESERVED the win. -and I'm sure part of my adoration came from the fact I'm suffering major depression – and again – I have a bad Dad/God complex that I won't get into, but it's been making me question my own worth as a good person. Part of me really does want to just stop caring. To weed out the universe and pretend that would be mercy. That that would be "Whats best for them."

    -but then after breaking me, this video healed me. It was the part where you point out that as Thanos dreams of death, Tony starts the movie with a dream of new life. I had always just figured this was to set up he'd have a child in Endgame (or that he'd lose the child in Endgame), but you pointing out that it's a direct dialectic clash with Thanos, his shadow, says so much.

    Inside me, while I do still have hurt and that desire to cut off everything and watch Humanity die, there is that other side that also dreams of the future generations; the hope of what may come. I had watched this movie feeling like I was a villain in my own head, but your beautiful take on it freed me now to see that I can also be Iron Man in this story. Still a futurist who has deep problems, but I still have hope.

    I'm sorry for being so weirdly personal, and for rambling, but your video made me weep, and I wanted to express how much it meant that you made this and shared this.

    If our paths never cross again; I wish you all the luck and love in the world, strangers.

  • I think it's interesting that you kind of omit something rather obvious. You touch on it, but never mention it explicitly, and at is the way Thanos talks to Tony. Everyone else, Thanos treats as either an obstacle in his path, like Loki and the Red Skull, or he talks to them like he is their father. He raised Nebula and Gamorra, badly, but he did raise them, and they are at the core of his arc. 'The Children of Thanos', as they call themselves, well, that goes without saying. When he first meets Wanda, he immediately calls her 'my child'. But Tony is the only person who Thanos treats as an equal.

  • DigiFootage FX says:

    I have to say, that callback you made to "making a god bleed" in Ironman 2, and the prolific "all of that for a drop of blood" quote by Thanos was brilliant. I'd almost forgotten that line in Iron Man, and it really does tie in extremely well with that scene with Thanos. Bravo.

  • Stephen Crawley says:

    "the plucky, versatile, cunning ingenuity that David used to outwit the giant"

    You…..you're not that familiar with the story of David and Goliath, are you?

  • This one has to be the best one of all the OneMarvelousScene videos, they really give lots of information, and the speaker is the best.

  • Matt Follette says:

    Maybe I'm an idiot, but I really appreciated the noting of the fatherhood dynamic in the series as a whole. This is one of the best 'one marvelous scene's for sure. thanks! 🙂

  • Eduardo Bezerra says:

    Muito obrigado por esse vídeo, só melhorou minha experiência no cinema. Parabéns pelos excelente trabalho, continue fazendo e se melhorando a cada dia

  • If a drop of blood prooves that he can be beaten. Then what does the pool of blood that Thor unleashes do? haha

  • What surprised me wasn’t so much that Thanos knew of Tony (or at least a Terran who killed his Chitauri soldiers) so much as it was that Thanos knew Tony’s Name

  • Robbie Swain says:

    Perfectly capturing why Tony Stark is the best character and avenger in the MCU. His wit, charisma, and underlying problems come out throughout the series from start to finish. I never understood why some people didn't like him as much as Cap. Personally, I couldn't relate to Cap as much as I could Tony, (Still love Cap), but some people argue that he was kind of an asshole in the first few movies. Sure, but he was a lovable asshole. He cracked jokes and had witty humor that made me connect to him more. There's a difference between being a funny asshole vs. being a straight-up asshole.

  • Rafael Rosas says:

    a ball
    me: a ball
    the take: the quintessential reppresentation of tridimensional equiality of distance from the point of reference, a guide, an example, the centre.

  • This is crazy. I didn’t even contemplate the connection between the characters. This is a new level of deep

  • Eagle D. Kōzui says:

    The Take (Ana & Debra) You just made a nice discussion on this topic inside the MCU. I'm happy with various videos of One Marvelous Scene I've been watching over the past few days. Thank you.

  • I feel the same way driving down a a limited access motorway. It’s like watching humans act like rats trying to escape a sinking ship, clumsy and disorganised but nobody gives a snot and continues in their selfish and ignorant ways.

  • Waste O'Paint says:

    This “marvellous moment” thing is wonderful! I discovered a bunch of awesome channels in no time at all!

  • Indeed – Tony did learn not to fight strength with strength…

    SPOILER

    While everyone else was trying to go for the gauntlet, to rip it off by force, Tony just jumped in and swiped the Stones. Thanos never thought that anyone would go for the Stones directly, thinking Tony was just going to charge in just like everyone else had…and he was defeated by quick wit and cunning.

  • Missing Diamond says:

    I think Aladdin and Jaffa are the same person but Jarffa is a dark mirror version of Aladdin. Both men are theives who have animal companions, both want to achieve great things in the future.

  • such a great vid, rlly pointed out things i never noticed like how thanos isn't a god because he bleeds. the mcu is so SO much more than some superhero movies, they're real human (or alien) stories and they mean so much to so many people.

  • But Iron Man IS objectively/factually the Most Powerful Avenger overall. According to Marvel's Official Power Rankings given on their website –

    Iron Man – 33/42
    Thor – 32/42
    Hulk – 32/42
    Captain Marvel – 29/42
    Doctor Strange – 25/42
    Black Panther – 21/42
    Spiderman – 19/42
    Captain America – 18/42
    Scarlet Witch – 18/42
    Ant Man – 15/42
    Falcon – 14/42
    Hawkeye – 13/42

  • dustin barhorst says:

    Okay, I like the video in general. In fact, I'm really enjoying this entire series. But that connection you made between the drop of blood line in Infinity War, and the if you make God bleed line in Iron Man 2, is absolute pure genius. The best example of why it is so great to be able to share ideas and thoughts on a platform like this. Truly made me go back and look at that line, and everything else in this entire MCU history. Thank you very much. 🙂

  • Vladimir Lenin says:

    I personally saw this scene in a completely different light, but I won't even try to explain. But either way, great work.

  • Kid From 21 Jump Street says:

    To clarify, Thanos is undisputably a DemiGod.

    I find Loki's line funny because he can't really say anything as he's adopted by deities.

  • Drives me nuts that y'all kept referring to Thanos as a god. He's a titan, god damnit. The Mad Titan more importantly. Very different. Decent vid tho.

  • “You have my respect, Stark. When I’m done half of humanity will still be alive. I hope they remember you.”

  • "You know me? – You're not the only one cursed with knowledge" is a direct callback line to Thanos and Red Skull saying, "You know us? – It is my curse to know all who journey here".
    I don't know why nobody talks about this. But the influence of the Soul stone is a huge factor.

  • Chocolate Mythos says:

    So I watched other “One Marvelous Scene” videos before this and more specifically, Hello Future Me’s video where he talks about a scene in Iron Man 3 (Tony meets Harley) and how Tony’s relationship with the suit and cursed mind shapes his actions and how it also (kinda) parallels to Peter. Now while watching this, I just got that feeling/ thought when I watched that video but less about the suit and of course, all about the daddy issues

    “If you’re nothing without this suit, then you shouldn’t have it.”
    -Tony Stark, Iron Man
    (GoDiSoUnDlIkEmYdAd)

  • H E A D E R M O O N月 says:

    That David outwitting Goliath scene rang true in the Tony snap when he literally made another gauntlet to fit him just in case.

  • Sir Derpington says:

    knowing that Thanos and scarlet witch was in the god awful remake of old boy the "I understand my child." makes it more funny.

  • EloquentTroll says:

    My dad is great guy, the MCU speaks to an issue I happily don't suffer. I love the MCU, but my parents accepted my being Trans. My dad doesn't understand it, but he treats me as a daughter even though he didn't realize he had one before. So many people have issues with their fathers, but I can't relate, my dad put every effort into understanding my interests. Star Wars was and is a great point for us to engage. The MCU focuses on father issues to an extent that I can't relate to, my dad is too awesome. My mom is awesome too, but it doesn't have the same impact in the MCU! They're still the standard I seek embody. Love and devotion embodied, let me reflect that.

  • Wow. This is amazing. In Endgame, Tony realizes his Father cares about him. Loves him. When Tony makes his amends with his father, he's ready to take on Thanos.

  • Alejandro Cabrera says:

    I agree that the daddy issues are a important interesting layer of the film. But really I and probably many people don't really perceive said thing as so important. Also you went too far with the explanation.

    (On a sidenote I never saw my parents as this big figures to admire)

  • One of my favorite scenes in Endgame is when Tony has the epiphany that he CAN achieve time travel but is surprised by his daughter. Instead of turning her away, he walks away with her, shares a lollipop with her, and tells her he loves her. If that isn't Tony understanding what it is to be a good father and learn from his own father's mistakes, I don't know what is.

  • This video actually helped me finish changing my mind on abortion. We should respect future life. I know this channel is pro life so maybe it was done on purpose by I’m convinced. What if someone aborts the child that could grow up to cure cancer.

  • This is all ended up being the most annoying thing on YouTube of 2019. One marvelous scene ended up becoming 30 million different marvelous scenes.

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